Monday, December 17, 2018

The Sudden Appearance of John in the Marcionite Gospel

Baptism of Christ, 3rd century, Catacomb of Callixtus
Tertullian (AM 4.11.3) is right to exclaim, Unde autem et Ioannes venit in medium? Subito Christus, subito et Ioannes when John suddenly appears in Marcion's Gospel (Luke 5:33), or rather his disciples, with no back story and no prior introduction. Tertullian compares John's entrance to that of Jesus (Subito Christus), who in Marcion's Gospel enters by descending into Capernaum (Luke 4:31) without warning or introduction. So too here, the mysterious John's disciples are compared to Jesus' disciples. As there is no Baptism in Marcion's Gospel, there is no reason for John to appear. So why is here, and why is he in the Marcionite Gospel at all?

First, as in all my posts, we are presuming Marcionite priority, but also that the synoptic gospels, including the Marcionite, were built upon one of two versions of a prototype gospel, and Mark was built upon both versions of the prototype gospel in a conflation of their accounts. An acquaintance from a forum I sometime post at made a map of my gospel order theory, where "L" and "M" represent the prototype gospel variants used, and the big line shows the theological dependence order. There is no time frame here, and the important thing to remember is Mark is independent of the sectarian arguments and counter arguments which define the main timeline. Mark could have been very early or very late without impacting the main timeline, just so long as it was written before Luke. [1]

There is a lot to unpack here. Marcionite priority, as can be seen in the diagram to the right, does not imply Marcion or Marcionites originated the New Testament writings, rather that they were the first to package Christian writings in forms like those we have today, and also (in my opinion) were the first sect to use these writings for evangelical purposes.

The things to keep in mind here: Mark does not know the Marcionite gospel, nor does he know Matthew, he knows only two versions of the prototypes. Matthew knows the Marcionite gospel and a version of the prototype which was on of the two used by Mark, and the Marcionite gospel knows only the other prototype gospel that is shared with Mark.

So if John the Baptist was introduced by the Marcionite author, then Mark should not know about him. But in fact he does. Therefore stories about John must predate the published gospels, including the Marcionite, and must have been in the prototype gospels. But was John's baptism of Jesus in those gospels, specifically "L" the version shared by Mark and Marcion?

John in Marcion:

To answer that question we need to examine the passages of John in the Marcionite gospel to determine where they came from. The first question to ask is, was John know as a baptizer to the Marcionite author? And a quick look at the evidence shows that indeed John is known as the baptizer to the Marcionite author.

We see John referred to as the Baptist in the  Question of Authority (Luke 20:1-8), a story attested in Marcion. Although we cannot say exactly what the full wording of the story was in Marcionite form, we do have a some paraphrased snippets preserved by Tertullian (AM 4.38.1-2) confirming the passage and the reference to John's Baptism.
Christ knew "the baptism of John, (baptisma Ioannis) whence it was." (Luke 20:4) Then why did He ask them, as if He knew not? He knew that the Pharisees would not give Him an answer; then why did He ask in vain? Was it that He might judge them out of their own mouth, or their own heart? Suppose you refer these points to an excuse of the Creator, or to His comparison with Christ; then consider what would have happened if the Pharisees had replied to His question. Suppose their answer to have been, that John's baptism was "of men," they would have been immediately stoned to death. (Luke 20:6) Some Marcion, in rivalry to Marcion, would have stood up and said: O most excellent God; how different are his ways from the Creator's! Knowing that men would rush down headlong over it, He placed them actually on the very precipice. For thus do men treat of the Creator respecting His law of the tree. But John's baptism was "from heaven." "Why, therefore," asks Christ, "did ye not believe him?" (Luke 20:5) He therefore who had wished men to believe John, purposing to censure them because they had not believed him, belonged to Him whose sacrament John was administering. But, at any rate, when He actually met their refusal to say what they thought, with such reprisals as, "Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things," (Luke 20:8) He returned evil for evil! [2]
Ignoring the polemic arguments of Tertullian, we see John is associated with baptism, a baptism account not in the Marcionite Gospel. And if we consider why the question of authority of Jesus would even be tied to the question of John's baptism and it's authority, we come to realize it is the the baptism of Jesus which in view here. Quite simply did John baptize Jesus with authority from the heavens, as depicted in Mark 1:9-11
In those days Jesus came from Nazareth [3] of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens opened and the Spirit descending upon him like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, "Thou art my beloved Son; with thee I am well pleased."
Since John baptized Jesus, to accept that John's baptism was from heaven would be to accept Jesus as the one, the Christ, whose baptism by John was from heaven. To say the baptism is from men would be to say Jesus's authority is not from heaven either. The two authorities are inextricable related. And there is no other reason for the passage than their being intertwined. But these authorities are also tied to the concept John as Elijah come again from the Malachi prophecy, and of John endorsing Jesus - an anathema to the Marcionites.

The evidence is more explicit from Dialogue Adamantius 2.13 when the Marcionite champion Markus quotes Luke 9:18-20 (slightly paraphrased)
In the Gospel Christ says, "'Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?' The disciples said, 'John the Baptist; but some say Elijah; while others claim that one of the prophets of old has arisen.' And he said to them, 'But who do you say?' Peter, answering, said, 'the Christ'" (τὸν Χριστόν / Tu es Christus)
The presence of this passage in Marcion is confirmed in AM4.21.6, where Tertullian says Jesus asks Peter "Whom do you say that I am?" quisnam illis videretur (Luke 9:20) and he replies "You are the Christ," Tu es Christus, and then 'He commanded them "to tell no man that saying"' ille autem praecepit ne cui hoc dicerent (Luke 9:21).

Tertullian report vouchsafes Adamantius' snippet as basically accurate. So we can safely say that the Marcionite author knows and refers to John as "John the Baptist" (Ἰωάννην τὸν βαπτιστήν), and he knows of the Elijah come again motif and it's association with John, and also that of the old prophets. Importantly these are tied up with who Jesus is.

There is no escaping it, these passages of involving John in Marcion (see Luke 9:18-22 and 20:1-8) depend upon the Baptism scene. So what happened to it?

Marcionite Gospel Opening:

When we look at the Synoptic Gospels, discounting the clearly additive infancy stories, they begin with the appearance of John the Baptist, some form of the temptation in the desert and the calling of the fisherman stories. If we assume Mark essentially preserved the basic order, we see that Marcion's Gospel begins at the same place as Mark 1:21 (Luke 4:31) with only the additional prefix "In the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar" [4] as the opening comment to fix the time and location.

So all that is missing are a mere 20 verses in Mark. But as we shall see the actual number of verses lost is much less than that, and in fact almost none when we look at their replacements.

For example, the calling of the fishermen, which we find for example in Mark 1:16-20, has simply been move to after the Capernaum sequence instead of before it, at Luke 5:1-11 (AM 4.5.1). This fits the Marcionite author's purpose of introducing Jesus as descending (κατῆλθεν) into Capernaum, as if from heaven. But it makes sense to have Jesus, and perhaps also Simon, introduced prior to calling his first disciples.

It has long been my argument that Mark 1:1 is nothing more than the versification by prefixing ἀρχή to the title he found, τοῦ εὐαγγελίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ "The Gospel of Jesus Christ". This verse then was not removed by the Marcionite author, it was instead invented by Mark. Further Mark 1:2-3 we will show later is a conflation of two separate sources, of which the Marcionite knew only one of these of these verses (that is Mark 1:2 less the words ἐν τῷ Ἠσαΐᾳ τῷ προφήτῃ).

A Baker's dozen verses in the prototype gospel our Marcionite author knew have gone missing (see Mark 1:2, 4-15). But as we shall see, these verses were transformed into a new story

John Rebuked

Markus Vinzent rightly points out the sequence refuting John actually begins with the resurrection of the widow's only son at Nain (Luke 7:11-17), when the crowd witnessing the miracle proclaim, "A great prophet (Προφήτης μέγας) is risen up among us, and God hath visited His people." [5]

This appearance of one, held by the masses as a Προφήτης μέγας, who brings the dead back to life is what triggers John to ask, as reported by the Marcionite champion Megethius (DA 1.26):
"Now when he (John) had heard in prison the works of Christ, he sent his disciples to him, saying 'Are you he who is to come, or look we for another?”
ἀκούσας γὰρ ἐν τῷ δεσμωτηρίῳ τὰ ἕργα τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἔπεμψε τοὺς μαθητὰς αὐτοῦ πρὸς αὐτὸν λέγω· Σὺ εἶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἢ ἕτερον προσδοκῶμεν;
Cum audisset in carcere positus opera Christi, mittens duos ex discipulis suis ad eum dixit: Tu es qui uenturus es, an alium exspectamus? [6]

Tertullian (AM 4.18.6) reports also that John shares the crowds awe at this great prophet saying,
Hoc igitur metu et Ioannes, Tu es, inquit, qui venis, an alium expectamus?

We see here that John's Baptism is refuted. How could John have baptized Jesus, seen the spirit descend like a dove from heaven, and hear the voice from heaven declare Jesus his beloved son, and yet not know he was the Christ, the one he was looking for? This would be impossible.

Megethius tells us this was the Marcionite view, as he prefaces the above quotes saying:
I offer you exact proof that the Christ of the Law and Prophets belonged to another: John did not recognize him. For it would be impossible for the prophet of the God of Creation to be ignorant of his own Christ.
Tertullian understands this Marcionite position, and spends much of AM 4.18.4ff attempting to argue that not only was John of the law and prophets but that Jesus was too because he baptized him! But he acknowledges the Marcionites had their own detailed explanation (plenum ordinum) to explain this very verse, as Megethius enlightens us.

Tertullian effectively gives us the explanation for why the baptism scene was removed, as it was understood as the direct and explicit connection between Jesus and the God of the Law and Prophets. Further he inadvertently gives away the reason why the Marcionite writer would write the passage of John's ignorance of Jesus, how his first hearing about Jesus would not be a voice from heaven but from his own disciple while in prison, about an unexpected and unknown Christ.

Are are assured it is John's baptism which is rejected, when we compare all the topical elements of the two passages when we compare Luke 7:24-28 to Mark 1:2-14:

The Marcionite Jesus (Luke 7:24, AM 4.18.8) ask this question to the crowds concerning John: "What did you go out into the wilderness (εἰς τὴν ἔρημον) to behold (θεάσασθαι) ?" John in the story is not at this time to be found in the desert here, he is in prison. This Marcionite Jesus is speaking of another scene, the one in found in Mark 1:4-5 when John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness (ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ) ... and all those in the region of Judea came out to him.

Jesus then speaks of John's preaching ironically, with the rhetorical follow up question, "A reed (κάλαμον) shaken by the wind (ἀνέμου)?"[7] This "reed" (κάλαμος) is meant as a derisive insult, as it seems to be associated with a supposed rod (ῥάβδος) of power, like used by kings and great prophets, such as when Moses uses it, often via Aaron, brings on the plagues (e.g., Exodus 10:13, also 7:19, 8:5, 8:16-17), and as the staff of God (ῥάβδος τοῦ θεοῦ per Exodus 17:9) and more generally to bring miracles (Number 20:8); and with other prophets such as Isaiah to bring the wrath of God (Isaiah 10:5). We see examples of this derisive insult in Ezekiel 29:6 where the Pharaoh's rod is said to be made of reed (ῥάβδος καλαμίνη) when attempted to be used against the house of Israel. The same imagery appears in Isaiah 36:6 and the identical verse of 2 Kings 18:21, only this time even more like a wet noodle, say Pharaoh's rod is as if crushed reed (τὴν ῥάβδον τὴν καλαμίνην τὴν τεθλασμένην). This is not a king's golden scepter (re Esther 4:11, 5:2, 8:4), but the staff of great prophet's in the wilderness, no place for a king. But this a prophet Jesus ridicules, suggesting his rod, that is his preaching, is a week reed that can be shaken by the winds; something a Marcionite exegete would clearly see as implying the inferiority of John's message and his God. [8]

The question is repeated,"But what did you go out to see?" (Luke 7:25) but this time the garments of John in the baptism story are in view. The accounts of Mark 1:6 (and parallel Matthew 3:5) we are told John wore a garment made of camel's hair with a leather belt, and that he ate a humble diet locust and wild honey. But this humbleness Jesus chooses to ridicule in his rhetorical reply, "a man dressed in soft (μαλακοῖς) clothing?" This is the opposite of the presentation of John in Mark, and clearly meant to rattle. What says next is even more intriguing, "Behold, those who wear soft (μαλακὰ) raiment are in kings' houses." [9]

It's a twist for sure. The crowd is either being told John is not the prophet they are seeking or else that John is in one of the kings' houses. Both are possibilities. The latter however could point us back to the beginning of the passage which as reported by Megethius above, "Now when he (John) had heard in prison the works of Christ." [10] The first thing to note, John's imprisonment is reported in Mark 1:14 (Matthew 4:12), part of the sequence which is missing in the Marcionite Gospel we are examining. But secondly, John's imprisonment in leads to his beheading, an event not to be noted until a few chapters later. [11] The parallel synoptic accounts are followed by an elaborate description of Herod's birthday party (Mark 6:17-20, Matthew 14:3-12) where John's head is placed on a platter. This very much implies that John was held in Herod's house. Further Herod is referred to in the story as a king in Matthew 14:9 (also Mark 16:22-23, 25-27). The Marcionite text that stood at Luke 7:25 may well have been referring to John being held prisoner, more likely as a house guest hostage than in the cellar. Holding important people as a house guest prisoners in the palace was quite common for those deemed important. This could well be what Jesus' remark alludes to.

The next verse (Luke 7:26-27) the question is asked a third time, "What then did you go out to see?" The follow reply of Jesus,
"A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is he of whom it is written, 'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.'"
The comparison is clear for Mark 1:2 which speaks of John, saying "as it is written  (γέγραπται)," and then quotes Malachi 3:1. Luke 7:27 (AM 4.18.7, Panarion says of John "this is he of whom it is written (γέγραπται)," and then quotes the identical verse, appending "before you" (ἔμπροσθέν σου). [12] Tertullian explains the "more than a prophet" περισσοτερον προφητου as meaning ἄγγελόν μου, the messenger of the Creator. Or to quote Malachi 3:1 ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης "the messenger of the covenant", that is of the Old Testament. This is precisely from where the Marcionites juxtapose John as the prophet of the Creator, who calls the Jews to repent and return to Law of Moses, the statutes and ordinances that were commanded him (Malachi 4:4), for he is Elijah again per Matthew 11:14 (Malachi 4:5, see Luke 9:9, etc.). 

The passage closes with Jesus declaring, "I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." (Luke 7:28, AM 4.18.8). Parsing this we can see that as elsewhere the Marcionite author juxtaposes John against Jesus. While Jesus descends into Capernaum, presumably coming directly from the heavens, John came into being more naturally, "born of women," which by inference Jesus was not. Further, with the Malachi prophecy, specifically Malachi 3:1, 4:4-5 in immediate view, John is Elijah come again, the greatest prophet (Προφήτης μέγας) of the Jewish God. But even the greatest of the God of Moses' prophets he is less than the least Christian in heaven. [13] And he becomes aware of his inferiority in the Marcionite account after word of Jesus being a great prophet reaches him, and scandalizes him, leading Jesus to say 'Blessed is he who is not be offended (σκανδαλισθῇ) in me,' (Luke 7:23), directed at John according to both Tertullian (AM 4.18.5) and Epiphanius (P

Conclusions about Luke 7:18-28

It seems clear the Marcionite author was no different from the other gospel writers in respect to his editorial decisions to add and remove material as required to fit his theological requirements. Luke 7:18-28 was written (albeit with text in places more like Matthew's text than Luke's) drawing almost exclusively from Baptism story, largely as we have in Mark 1:2, 4-14. We have seen above references to elements found in 8 of those 12 verses. In effect Luke 7:18-28 replaces the Baptism story in Mark 1:2-11, 14. Only the Temptation story, a mere two verses of Mark 1:12-13, left no trace.

It should be noted that other verses in the Marcionite Gospels were clearly moved from their original setting in the prototype gospel. Examples include the parable of the Mustard Seed, which was moved to the "central sections" at Luke 13:18-19 and likely stood where the True Relatives stood in Luke 8:19-21; The Tricky Question found in Luke 10:25-28 was probably right after the burning bush of Luke 20:37 in the prototype; and other verses as well. The Marcionite author was both willing and quite adept at moving material when he needed. So moving the calling of the fishermen after the opening Capernaum sequence fits a pattern. The writers of the other Gospels did likewise, save perhaps Mark.

The Marcionite author in this one redaction from the prototype gospel he built upon achieve three goals: John no longer comes before Jesus and no longer endorses him; John's story is refuted and his relationship with Jesus is no longer intimate, in fact he they never meet; the Gospel now starts with Jesus entrance into Capernaum where he is introduced. This proved successful for Marcionite evangelism.

Baptism Scene in the Prototype Gospel L:

As a surprise bonus, our model offers an explanation for how the quote of Malachi got incorrectly attributed to Isaiah in Mark 1:2.

The demonstration that Luke 7:18-22 was written in response to and as a replacement for roughly the first dozen verses of the prototype Gospel known to Mark and Luke, tells us that the writer of Luke 7:27 only knew a version quoting Malachi 3:1. From this I conclude the prototype "L" known by Mark and Luke/Marcion began roughly as follows:
In those days came John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness. This is he of whom it is written, 'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way [before thee].' (Luke 7:27, Malachi 3:1) And there went out to him all the country of Judea they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. Now John was clothed with camel's hair, and had a leather girdle around his waist, and ate locusts and wild honey.
However the prototype "M" known by Mark and Matthew began something like this:
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching a baptism of repentance in the wilderness of Judea, For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said, "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." (Matthew 3:3, Isaiah 40:3 LXX) Now John wore a garment of camel's hair, and a leather girdle around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
These two sources invoked two different OT verses to associate with John. The prototype "L", which was known to the Marcionite gospel writer, invoked Malachi 3:1, while the prototype "M", known to Matthew, instead used Isaiah 40:3 to identify John. Mark conflated both versions, and so took both OT quotes. But Mark did not know the OT (that is the LXX) at all. So when he conflated the two verses from M and L he did not know where the OT quotes acme from, so simply accepted the Isaiah identification from 'M" for the source of both quotes.

Final Comment:

It seems clear John the Baptist and the Baptism of Jesus were part of the early prototype gospel. John began the prototype gospel, with the theology of Elijah come again. Even though the Gospel of John rejects the concept of John as a prophet come again, he still kept the baptism of Jesus, albeit in very different form. Only Marcion did not have the baptism scene, but as we demonstrated above his section on John, found at Luke 7:18-28 (albeit reading closer to Matthew at some points), was derived from the baptism scene of the prototype gospel.

The model for Marcionite (published literary) priority holds up. Differences in the gospels over the story of John can almost entirely be explained within the confines of internal Christian sectarian conflicts of the mid 2nd century. The Marcionite author's knowledge and refutation of the baptism scene betrays diversity already within the Christian camp at the moment the first published gospel (the Marcionite) was formed. Further we find the tactics and methods of the Marcionite gospel writer to be of the same sort as the other gospel writers. And finally we find that John the Baptist was not a stray of secondary element which found it's way into the gospels, but part of the background story from the very beginnings.

[1] There are many other gospel order theories with Marcionite priority, which will not be discussed here. One of the more improbable is put forth by Markus Vinzent, which basically postulates that the prototype gospel was itself a pre-published version of the Marcionite gospel (replaces L, M, and Marcion in my graph) and all the synoptic gospels were written from than with Marcion's gospel written in response. In my view this is the result of his inflating the position of Marcion (based on his overly optimistic assessment of the veracity of the Patristic writers).
[2] The Marcionite version appears to more closely resemble Matthew 21:25 than Luke 20:4, and it is the Pharisees rather than the Chief Priests, Scribes and Elders who challenge Jesus' authority.
[3] Nazareth (Ναζαρὲτ) is either a Markan addition to the prototype Gospel account, or more likely a later editorial addition as there is no mention of Nazareth in Mark, and is not part of the story, rather an epitaph for theological reasons outside scope of that Gospel.
[4] ἐν τῷ πεντεκαιδεκάτῳ ἔτει Τιβερίου Καίσαρος, Epiphanius P42.11.5
[5] Magnus prophetes prodiit in nobis, et Respexit deus populum suum. Tertullian, AM 4.18.3
[6] Dialogue Adamantius 1.26, The paraphrase of Luke 7:18-20, essentially reads as Matthew 11:2-3 complete with in carcere (ἐν τῷ δεσμωτηρίῳ). Here we have an example of the Marcionite text preserved in Matthew, and likely revised by Luke.
[7] This "reed shaken in the wind" (κάλαμον ὑπὸ ἀνέμου σαλευόμενον) closely resembles 1 Kings 14:15 MT "as a reed is shaken in the water" (ינוד הקנה במים). Besides being highly improbable the reference is to this verse as their is no evidence this gospel writer could read Hebrew, and 1 Kings 14:1-20 is not found in the early LXX, and may date from Christian era. So we look to other sources.
[8]The this shaken as being inferior concept is Hebrews 11:26-27, where the things that can be shaken by the voice (a kind of wind) of God are not created (a Gnostic would say from the Creator) and fall away, leaving to remain only those things not shaken, that is not created (i.e., spiritual)
[9] I follow Matthew 11:8 here, since it's probably closer to the Marcionite text, as Luke has some revision. One of the indicators that the Lukan text has changed are pastoral words like τρυφῇ
[10] see note 6 above.
[11] In Luke this occurs at verse 9:9. But this verse is not attested in Marcion and may be a Lukan redaction drawn from the parallel in Mark 6:16, which the Lukan writer felt was sufficient to convey John's death without the story of Herod's birthday party.
[12]  It is quite likely Mark, in conflating his two sources, dropped ἔμπροσθέν σου. 
[13] The reference here to the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus from Luke 16:19-29, but importantly not verses 16:30-31 (from the later Catholic redactor), which terminates in the Marcionite with "They have there Moses and the prophets, let them hear them."  Tertullian goes into great detail in AM 4.18.10-13, concerning the Marcionite view that not following Moses and the prophets lands you in Tartarus portion of Hades, while the Elysian fields, i.e., Abraham's bosom, are for those who are the greatest, but these fall short of heaven for those who follow Christ. Christ of course descended into Hades at his death to claim his own, which would be from Abraham's bosom according Marcionite lore. The Jewish or Creator God had already passed judgements on his own separating them in his Heaven (Elysian fields) and Hell (Tartarus). From the Marcionite view, John would reside in Abraham's bosom, the greatest of the Creator's prophets, but would not reside in the High God's heaven (presumably the Pleroma).


  1. SW --
    Very nice, per usual. I would love to exchange E-Mails, if possible. I'll try to keep this one short.
    1. "So why is [John} here, and why is he in the Marcionite Gospel at all?"
    "...we are presuming Marcionite priority, but also that the synoptic gospels, including the Marcionite, were built upon one of two versions of a prototype gospel, and Mark was built upon both versions of the prototype gospel in a conflation of their accounts..."

    You are correct. The assumption that is to be challenged, however, is that From the fact that the "Jesus stories" are written from Source, the Source Stories are about "Jesus". Jay Raskin (_Christs and Christianities_), shows that Mark and John literally Cut and Pasted from a common Source. I believe that GJohn is "correcting" Mark, seen especially in the 2 Crucifixions (where Mark does not understand that "Passover" is in addition to the Feast Week, not the first day of the Feast Week).
    The character John is from the Mishmarot Group Bilgah, the created character "Jesus" is from Immer (Though Acts is radioactive, 13: 25 shows that John was finishing his COURSE).

    2. By your Mapping, Matthew precedes Luke. That would mean that Matthew was selective as to use of the Story:

    Matthew 18:
    [1] At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
    [2] And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them,
    [3] and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
    [4] Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

    Compare with Luke 13:

    [23] And some one said to him, "Lord, will those who are saved be few?" And he said to them,
    [24] "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

    I very strongly believe that these 2 passages are describing the same Story. The Priest (of Immer) is saved by the child Peter at the Temple Slaughter of 4 BCE (THIS is the major Source Story).

    Matthew 23: 13 (RSV):
    [13] "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in.

    Thus, the Kingdom of Heaven (or Realm of Heaven in Matthew - Moffatt Trans.) is a real, physical place. The Scribes and Pharisees are keeping MEN (Priests) out of the Realm of Heaven.

    3. Luke preserves fragments of the Story which may be reach back to the Temple floor:

    Luke 19:
    [39] And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, "Teacher, rebuke your disciples."
    [40] He answered, "I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out."

    This is from Josephus (or the 2 quotes are both from Source...):
    War..., 2, 1, 3:

    "...At this Archclaus was aftrighted, and privately sent a tribune, with his cohort of soldiers, upon them, before the disease should spread over the whole multitude, and gave orders that they should constrain those that began the tumult, by force, to be quiet. At these the whole multitude were irritated, and threw stones at many of the soldiers, and killed them; but the tribune fled away wounded, and had much ado to escape so..."

    At the front of this is Marcion and the modifications came quickly to adhere to the New Religion. It all comes back to the modifications (and telescoping of TWO Stories into one) that tell of the Mishmarot Priesthood.
    I'm way over in length for this one but thank you for allowing comments.


    1. CW,

      You fail to take into account "ur-Luke" is the Marcionite gospel. SO Matthew could expand a story from the Marcionite gospel, and that expansion might not be reflected in Luke. Luke built off the Marcionite Gospel, and grabbed bits from the other gospels including Matthew and Mark, and some lost like maybe the Ebionite/Hebrew gospel. He did not have to take everything in Matthew, and in fact he didn't.

  2. BTW, one comment (Slight disagreement):

    On the view of the Story being a reflection of the Temple Slaughter of 4 BCE:

    Luke 7: 28 (Matthew 11: 11) RSV:

    [28] I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

    The reason "...the least in the Realm of Heaven..." is greater than John is that John did not make it into the Realm of Heaven. While 3000+ are being butchered around the Temple and surrounds, only a few are saved by making it through the narrow door. This entrance is so small that you must turn as a child in order to get into the Realm of Heaven.

    This is the Story of Peter, who is a child in 4 BCE. The 2 telescoped Stories smear the Duties of Mishmarot. In a rewrite. Mishmarot is then written out of the narrative almost entirely.

    The second Story tells of Jairus, 12 years later, asking the Priest who was saved by Peter to make one more Call to Glory (2 full rotations of the Mishmarot Service).

    John, the Greatest Prophet, did not make it into the Realm of Heaven.

    This is a Noir Story. The Realm of Heaven is where Priests with no blemish or flaw gather. There are a few survivors who have lost limbs, eyes and more. These are some of the few who make it into the Realm of Heaven.

  3. Until we dispense with the assumptions that we have accurate information regarding Marcion and his text, we will never come close to understanding the early church's origins.

    In other words, "Marcion" =/= Marcion.

    Marcion and Paul are Johannine. What we currently identify as the Gospel of Marcion is a product of the post-Marcion movement of the 170s, and likely relates to the memoirs of Damis/Demas, and could be why it and Life of Apollonious are so similar in both aim and content. ("Marcion" -> Luke, Life of Apollonious)

    So that puts the emerging text pattern as,

    proto-John/proto-Paul -> Gospel of the Hebrews -> Gospel of Peter -> Gospel of Mark, Gospel of Matthew -> Gospel of Luke

    1. You are quite wrong on several points here.

      First, I am following convention in using the name Marcion, as it represents the Marcionite collection, that is the writings, as it circulated prior to the Gospel of John. Whether there was a Marcion or he was legend is in the same category of Paul and frankly most of the NT characters and even the early church fathers. But none of the speculation of the "prehistoric church", that is before the writings, is germane.

      When I am speaking of Marcion and the beliefs associated with him, I am speaking of the attested writings we find in Epiphanius and Tertuallian, and the comments of his followers such as we find in Dialogue Adamantius.

      There is no question that the Marcionites held very strongly that John was the last prophet of the Jewish God, and that Jesus belonged to another greater God. This is well attested. It is equally clear that first author of the gospel of John knew the Marcionite Gospel, as he borrowed elements from it, and elaborated upon it, especially Lazarus, Martha and Abraham stories. But it is equally clear that he positioned John the Baptist as also not from the Jewish God.

      Your order is impossible because proto-John is demonstrably dependent upon Luke in Marcionite form and an early form of Matthew. The Gospel of the Hebrews is questionable as to having ever existed, we have but a fragment or two incorporated by the Catholic redactor of Luke -- there is no dependence in John upon the post-Marcionite elements found in Luke. The Gospel of Peter is clearly secondary, built upon the Canonical gospel stories.

      Your order, further is based upon assertion here, without the slightest evidence of dependence, nor of any refutation of the dependencies of John upon Matthew and the Marcionite Gospel (proto-Luke if you will) which I outlined here and in other posts, item by item.

      You also do not have a counter to the explanation I give for the there to have been multiple Gospels in the first place, that is sectarian competition within Christianity, and the need to "correct" the existing gospels to present the "true" theology of the sect writing the corrected gospel.

      I do understand the desire to put John first, which can only be done by ignoring the fine details of the individual passages and their dependencies, as this allows one to create a nice neat line of theology from Gnostic to semi-Catholic Marcionite to eventually a fully Catholic Church. But it was not a straight line, it was in fact an internally fractured movement driven by deep divisions in pretty much every theological point.

    2. Several points of contention.

      Firstly, you're relying on information that is for the most part suspect. What we know about of Marcion is not his own writings, but comes through filtered through his detractors, all of whom are themselves late.

      Secondly, even these sources are suspect to redactions and later revisions. So that makes Marcion even further removed.

      Now, Marcion/Paul have to be related to the Johannine literature because it (and particularly chapter 3 of John) is the closest example of what we (can) know of his Christology. Not even the text that is attributed to him matches it, or even the Pauline letters in his canon. John however does more so.

      My problem with your thesis is you are too trusting of the sources for Marcion, when everything should held sceptocally. You rely on Tertullian and Epiphanius, yet they are contradictory to each other.

      I don't have a counter argument because I adhere to the sectarian need for competition. I only see it as being between three factions: Marcion, who became a promoter of the Empire; the Ebionites, who went extinct after bar Kochba; and the Nazareans.

      The problem with your overall arguments is that we have Marcion's text (Secret Mark) and it bridges the cap between John, Paul, and Mark. Put that in the front and everything grows naturally. There's no need for redundant sources like L, M and Q. Secret Mark/UrJohn comes in promoting Hadrian as the Christ; Gospel of the Hebrews/Ebionites promotes bar Kochba as the Christ; the Nazareans, after the revolt, tries to compromise and gives us Matthew. Luke doesn't come in until at least Commodus, and I would argue for the time of Severius. Ireneaus is a complete fraud made up of several sources.

      Lastly, Paul doesn't make any sense with "Marcion's" text. Yet Paul does follow the Paraclete concept that is almost solely found in John, and is even seemingly referred to twice in John 3. And if Paul is who I suspect he is, then that seals the deal for John 3 being a foreshadowing of Paul, because there's a detail in John 3 that indicates that it is a witness to the eclipse of 118 ad., and which will be the main focus on my book on Peregrines (if I ever find the time to finish it, as I don't do this professionally, and rely on my actual profession to pay the rent). But nevertheless, John 3 and Paul go hand in hand, and if that's the case then everything you think about Marcion is wrong.

    3. Joseph, (long answer two parts)

      Let me counter your primary complaint of my acceptance of Tertullian and Epiphanius as witnesses to the text of the 10 letter Pauline collection and the form of the Lukan Gospel as used by the Marcionites. There have been three textual studies, Knox the first, which show decisively a different vocabulary in the attested text than the text which is is not attested. The famous Lukan words for example are missing from the attested Marcionite text. Until this evidence is refuted, those arguing against it, such as yourself, are arguing from a cliff side with no good footing. Explaining for example why the word "τε" is entirely missing from the attested Marcionite text of Paul and Luke is something I'd love to see explained. (There is no theological meaning at all associated with the mostly not translated word, a color word only, that merely betrays a later editors hand, a calling card if you will.)

      I do not in the least trust the commentary of these two witnesses. They often present arguments based on missing text or upon logic based on assumptions not accepted by the Gnostic and Marcionite opponents. It is like reading a Democrat describe Republican positions and their logic or a Republican describing Democrat positions and their logic. Very polemic, often misleading.

      Now I do not trust the attested text entirely. Some of the supposed attestations are certainly from the Catholic text. Also the Church father writings have been corrected by scribes over the centuries and so their is some doubt. But for the most part if it is clearly attested and consistent, that is to say not directly contradictory to the Marcionite teachings, then I accept it.

      Now mind you, in my model the ten letter collection, in shorter form, and the gospel of Luke in shorter form as attested by the Marcionite sources, circulated for a few centuries precisely because the Marcionite community broke from the main church and had their own institutions, their own bishops, their own liturgy. Robert M. Price says Marcion (or perhaps the Marcionites) sought to build a church and in such respects represent the first Catholicism. The main church however had the same texts and continued to expand upon them, and they eventually grew into a thirteen letter collection.

      Some of the divergence is no doubt due to Marcionite scribes adjusting, but that seems to be few verses and far between. Some are textual variants, as Calbeaux showed, which reminds us that the text before Tertullian and that text before Epiphanius represented a local text, just as we recognize with Church father readings of the Canonical text.

    4. (part 2)

      As for the content of the attested text, I have always commented that it shows a great diversity of sectarian theology present, and could not possibly have been from the hand of any one individual, but rather many. It looks in many respects similar to the Canonical text handed down to us in this respect, except that the blatantly Lukan, Pastoral and Catholic layers seem to be missing almost entirely (or rather they are almost completely unattested). Thus I conclude that the collection was put together by a Marcionite, as part of their Catholicizing effort, adding some sectarian elements and the common Openings and closings. In short the ten letter collector did much the same thing the later thirteen letter collector did. Whatever unity of voice is from the collector, not the elements of the collection.

      Where we most likely differ the most is the unattested text. Much of that I think was not present. And even were it present it can not be used as a source for the positions of the Marcionites since it cannot be verified as present. If you make arguments from the unattested text, you again are clinging to a cliff side.

      Now as o your statement about 3 John, I can assure you it has nothing to do with Paul. Rather it is a refutation of 2 John. Note that 2 John 10 reads

      "If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting"

      2 John 6-9 gives the doctrine the writer is using as a test to accept or reject any itinerant preachers to the lady (unlike 1 John, clearly a reference to the church) and the children (the congregation). And this is by way of a new commandment (verse 5), which the author is trying to pass off as having come from the patron saint John.

      But 3 John rejects this out of hand. First in verses 5-8 say in effect, that you must greet strangers, that is itinerant preachers ("For they have set out for his sake and have accepted nothing from the heathen"), as your duty. Then in verse 9 he identifies the opponent of this position as one Diotrephes who sees himself as the authority on church matters. And specifically that he "he refuses himself to welcome the brethren, and also stops those who want to welcome them and puts them out of the church" in verse 10.

      This is extremely straight forward example of how one text, 3 John, was written to oppose another, 2 John.

      The issue long post dates Paul. We are in an era where the church is an institution, and a debate rages on whether to continue to accept and give support wandering preachers who are not under the control of the hierarchy. This is an issue that raged in the church almost to the present day. But it is the debate of an established organization against charismatic traveling preachers whose doctrines are often at odds with the approved doctrine. This is impossible in the era of Paul when churches would have lacked structure, that is house churches. We are multiple generations apart from that era.

    5. Jospeh,

      My 3 John vs 2 John comments are off target. I realize you meant to say the gospel of John "three times" mentions the Paraclete in verses 14:15-14:27. This is true. However I do not think Paul is in sight. It is "the spirit of truth who will be with you forever." This implies something very different than an Apostle who will live and then die. 2 John 2 has a similar sentiment "the truth which abides in us and will be with us for ever."

      The truth here seems to be the teachings of Jesus declared in the gospel of John. There is no Paul here. I argued that there was no Simon Peter in the original first version of the fourth gospel. The list of apostles is very different. What I think we have going on is an Asia Minor sect which has a different patron saint, John. There is no way this sect would promote Paul as their Paraclete. He is a rival patron saint.

      As for the earliness or lateness of any sect, I think we'll never know. When Christianity erupted, it is my view that many of the sects were well developed with distinct theology. The books which were written only reflect the needs of sects to write books, not the earliness or lateness of the sects.